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In the United States, we often refer to
our main sources of energy as fossil fuels.

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Oil, natural gas, coal, their fossil
fuels, because they come from fossil,

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ancient, organic, material, forest,
jungles, plankton, dinosaurs, held under

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the ground for millennia, they transform
into oil, gas, and coal.

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Everybody thinks that's true.

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On the other hand, there's evidence that
maybe it's not the whole whole story.

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If that's where fossil fuels come from,
that's how hydrocarbons are made,

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then how come they're found so deep under
the oceans and at the top of the earth?

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How come one of Saturn's
moons, according to

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scientists, has more oil
and natural gas than earth?

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Were there dinosaurs and planktons and
forests at one point on one of Saturn's moons?

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Probably not.

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So if all hydrocarbons
aren't from fossils where

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they from, and why isn't
this commonly known?

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And what are the implications of it?

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And what does it tell us about our modern
climate change policy?

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These are not just esoteric questions.

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They're central questions.

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Actually, as we chart the future of energy
usage in the world.

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Willy soon has been thinking about this
for a long time.

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He's an astrophysicist, a geoscientist.

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He spent 31 years at Harvard.

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He recently left, and he joins us here.

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Dr. soon, thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate it.

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I appreciate it.

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Be able to come on your show.

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Well, it's a blessing to have you.

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And this is such an interesting question
with so many implications.

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Yes.

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And I want to spend most of our time
talking about the implications.

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But just to the strict question of where
hydrocarbons come from, it sounds like

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they're not necessarily all from ancient
forests or plankton or dinosaurs.

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Are they?

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Yes.

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The story can be a bit long, so give me a
few minutes to explain.

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You are certainly right.

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But most important to clarify
is that the information that is

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found on the largest moon
on Saturn, which is called Titan.

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Yes.

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It's actually results from NASA,
European Space Agency, and the Italian

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Space Agency, who built this spacecraft
called Cassini.

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And how you can actually,
one of my thesis advisor

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committee is actually
built the UV spectrometer.

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But the one that they use to discover
this, basically the ocean liquid form of

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methane, which is in 18
ethane form, which is much

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more complicated
hydrocarbon, is whole ocean of it.

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Because Titan is in such a way that is
very cold, by the way.

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So it's minus 290 degree Fahrenheit.

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Yes.

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And it's in 10 in 10.

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Where is the global warming there,
right?

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If it's full of methane there,
right?

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That's another problem.

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Because it's far away from the Sun.

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That's what it is.

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Yes.

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And clearly that the
question of A biogenic method,

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which we don't know
need of any biology, is true.

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Because we know actually one experimental
experiment was done in 2009.

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It was done in Swedish
Royal Academy, one of

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those groups, but it's
done by one Russian leader.

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He was able to show that if you squeeze
methane, CH4 in chemical formula,

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so 4001 carbon, squeeze them in a form
that in which they simulate the condition

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of the earth mantle, which is 1800 mouse
deep below the surface, because the earth

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is deeper, right?

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You've got benzene, you've got ethane,
you've got all these other stuffs for me.

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So they prove beyond that you have such a
way to make this.

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Plus that Titan prove beyond that.

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You actually see methane
also in all the atmosphere,

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Jupiter, you even find
benzene in the rocks of Mars.

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And then for me astrophysicists,
I can tell you even more.

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You find this complex hydrocarbon core
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon.

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It's another one of those complex
hydrocarbon.

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Then actually you found an interstellar
space between space within stars,

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intergalactic space.

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Because temperature there are coal and
probably the right pressure condition.

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All this complex hydrocarbon is kind of
incredible because all of us, including

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myself until very recently,
assume that all of our

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main energy sources are
these so -called fossil fuels.

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And of course their existence
is going to be limited by the

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amount of fossils by the amount
of decaying organic material.

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So if that's not so, then we need to
rethink a lot of things.

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A lot.

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I think this one fit into a paradigm,
a famous economist that I like very much.

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His name is Simon.

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Do you know about this guy's name,
Simon?

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Julian Simon.

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Yeah, the key guy, you see of Illinois and
then Maryland.

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He was the guy who said that the ultimate
resource of humanity or earth is actually

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not all this material thing like uranium
go.

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Because uranium, the far more uranium in
the oceans than on the land, right?

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You have 4.5 billion tons of uranium in
the ocean.

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You have only 17 million tons of gold
copper.

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What do you want on the ocean?

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It's all there, except in very dilute
form, clearly.

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So the ultimate resource actually is not
that, it's the human mind.

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It's the innovation part of it.

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I think I'd like that principle a lot.

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It fits very well in terms of saying that
it's all a matter of course.

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Even oil.

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Most, I don't know if any of you know the
audience know that 50 to 60 percent of the

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oil, or actually other oil that you
already drilled the drill hole.

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Yeah, you can only pull out 40 to 50
percent of it.

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60 percent of that remains in it.

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Because simply because it's not enough
pressure to get it out.

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This is why the idea of A by organic oil
is interesting.

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It's true, clearly true.

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It's all a matter of course, really.

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Because this thing has to
form way inside the earth,

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the mantle, which is 50
to 100 meters miles, right?

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Human.

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How deep have we ever drilled?

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Only the skin, which is only 5 miles
maximum, 5 to 6 miles basically.

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That's at most that we can drill.

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And then all this stuff has to permeate
into the reservoir.

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I got this information from the top.

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People that physically have to look for
oil every day.

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One of my friends, Joseph Lime Cooler from
Beacon Energy, offshore energy.

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Those are the guys who worked day in and
they are to bring us the energy actually,

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the oil that we need.

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So why don't most people know this?

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Why do most people think that the gasoline
in their car was by definition?

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They have to be limited.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That there's just a tiny amount and it's
going away.

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The oil is full of untruth and half
-truths, right?

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That's a whole problem, right?

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That's why for so long, even the idea that
we are not limited and bounded by

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availability of, let's say, gasoline,
petroleum or coal.

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Coal now, they won't allow us to use,
right?

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Yes, you know, in cop meeting in Dubai
that just ended a day ago.

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They just physically declared himself that
we should stop using fossil fuel.

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Basically, petroleum, natural gas and even
coal.

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All right, these people are insane.

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They're really insane.

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I think they're going to harm more people
with their own delusion.

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Plus, I always remember, these are people
who actually don't represent a majority.

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Since when are this put up to work?

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It's always about this
minority, the tyranny

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of the few, always
robbing the whole census.

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The good census of the good people.

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This is part of the reason why as a
scientist, I also speak out.

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I mean, not afraid of anything,
except for just telling the truth.

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And I'm glad to have this opportunity to
say such thing in your show.

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So, I mean, if we
haven't been told the truth

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about where hydrocarbons
come from and we haven't.

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I mean, I've never met a
single person in my life who

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said, wait a second,
they're not all fossil fuels.

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Then, we keep hearing there's a scientific
consensus on climate change.

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Every scientist believes the same thing
about it believes Elgor and John Kerry.

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Maybe that's not true either.

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Oh, then I can tell you, please.

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Thank you for asking that question,
Tucker.

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I've been working on this subject of CO2
causing climate change or what other

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factors we can ask that cause climate to
change.

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For close to as long as
since my postdoctoral year

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1991, I saw it's about
30 to 31 years, 32 years.

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And on this question, I think we have a
very definitive answer.

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What we know now is CO2 ain't gonna cause
nothing.

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It's not gonna change
much of the climatic system,

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which means it won't change
the speed of the hurricane.

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It won't change the how fast or how
frequent tornado form.

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It won't even actually make any difference
with the polar bear population.

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It's all conservation issue, right?

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On polar bear.

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It won't even cause how much fish you
don't catch or catch, you know?

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It won't even cause what they call ocean
acerbic.

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It won't even cause this problem that they
claim.

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It's all artificial, everything they do.

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It's all dream from their model and the
tyranny of the fuel again.

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That those few people just dream up this
scary story that is just ain't true.

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And then when you come down to the most
responsible group for this kind of bad

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stuff, I was reminded by my colleague Dr
Ronan Connolly and Michael Connolly.

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My two co-worker with me on my group is to
say that since, you know, since I work so

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carefully and I have about more than a
hundred scientists last three years alone

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working with me.

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So I don't speak on behalf of them.

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I speak on behalf of myself.

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My view is that the UNIPCC United Nations
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

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is one of the primary problem,
which means they have misleading people.

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They've been using authority of science,
which is not true.

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It's all governmental hackers basically,
right?

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People like John Kerry who I guess can
barely take a proper physics class who

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keep claiming that greenhouse effect is so
simple, right?

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And then he refused to explain how does it
work, right?

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I mean, he did all of that.

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That is very terrible.

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That really embarrassing to America.

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He did that in Bali in Indonesia several
years back.

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That is just so embarrassing.

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Do you think he can explain how it works?

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I don't think so.

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Even El Gore who claimed to be know
something about science.

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I challenge El Gore.

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I did some of that in his face,
actually.

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I was lucky enough to be in one of those
Wall Street Journal equal conference.

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And I was giving, you know, setting up
with all the UC Santa Barbara students.

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Please make sure when the question come
up, give me the mic.

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I was making friends with them the night
before.

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I explained now my details of my work.

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So I got the mic and asked questions about
El Gore because one of the primary setting

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that they refused to recognize that I know
you know that in even great school

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sciences.

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CO2 is the guess of life.

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When you have more CO2, the plant kingdom,
the whole ecology, even the oceans.

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Don't have more, basically, ability,
more fish, more everything.

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More life.

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More life, essentially.

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That's why it's called guess of life.

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And these people want to demonize it as
some guests that can cause global warming

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and cause hurricane to run faster or
weaker.

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I don't know what they
want to have more rain, more

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droughts and all these other
nonsense that they claim.

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All of that.

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It just ends so.

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That's the problem.

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By the way, this is how serious I am.

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I check everything they say.

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I check.

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As a scientist, you cannot just dismiss
them.

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You cannot laugh at them.

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You cannot, you know, try them.

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You cannot just make joke of them.

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You check everything.

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So as a very serious scientist,
and I publish scientific paper,

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refuting all of this argument.

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Scientific papers may
be mean nothing to the

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average people, but
it's really important.

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It's like a document that you have to
document and then put out the proper

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scientific arguments about what is right,
what is wrong.

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So that's what we have been doing at my
particular center called series-sign.com.

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So anybody who wants more information about
this, please go to the website, right?

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And study what we do there because we are
the one that is truly independent from any

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funding agency, any money that you could
possibly give me.

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Like Bill Gates, please don't give me
money.

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Thank you.

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And I'll go, please don't give me money.

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Don't give me any money if you tell me
what to do.

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You know, even some of your money,
I might not want it.

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But the point is that I want to be
independent, just like you.

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In the media, I want to be fearless.

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I just set my own agenda.

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You don't tell me what to research either.

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I research what I want to research.

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So we've been researching on many,
many topics.

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So on the climate change issue,
I'm fully convinced.

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After all these years, even
though we may not know exactly

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what is causing climate
change, we suspect is the sun.

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We have a lot of evidence to show that
it's probably the sun.

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Very high percentage, you know, like I
would say 90% will show it, but not 100%.

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But we know.

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Carbon dioxide is not the gas.

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It's not the, what you call the like your
thermometer in your room can adjust up and

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down that you can set the temperature to
be whatever level you want it.

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First of all, they can never tell us what
temperature do they want it at.

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What is the temperature you want to set
the global temperature?

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Air God has not been able to answer that.

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John Kerry has not been able to answer
that.

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Because we know the temperature from the
coldest in Siberia to the desert in Sahara.

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I mean, these are huge, at least 100
degrees or more.

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Kind of differences.

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Yes.

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I mean, who are you to tell me which
temperature is the correct temperature,

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where you guys are talking like that.

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They are talking as if they are a pseudo
god, they got themselves.

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I mean, these people are so
ambitious that in some sense,

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I think we have to keep
their ambition down a little bit.

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I mean, these people are not contented
just like what you put out there.

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You cannot be ambitious when you're
contented, but these people are so out of

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their mind in some sense that I think is
misleading.

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And somebody has to speak out against
them.

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I think you are one of those who
consistently point out their hypocrisy.

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And I really find that the whole problem
of this global warming is a complete

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nothing, which means we should do nothing
about it.

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Just go on and live life and adapt to it.

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Right?

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So what I... here's,
of course, I agree

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completely, but here's
what I don't understand.

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Global temperatures
have dramatically fluctuated

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within the period that
humans left records.

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Not that long ago.

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I mean, there are cities
underwater because

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sea levels have risen
within recorded history.

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The signs of the glaciers are all around
us.

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So that was all before the internal
combustion engine.

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How do they explain that?

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This is the problem they admitted.

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A lot of them, evidently, they willingly
admit that you can read or you can deny it.

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I mean, these are the confession time.

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It's the sun, actually.

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That does a lot of this.

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The glacier like the spirit called little
ice age.

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From about 1300 to 1900, very cool.

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And then there's a beautiful warm period
from 880 to about 1200.

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It was warm.

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I mean, you can grow wine in England,
right?

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And now you cannot grow wine.

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Things like that.

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I mean, Greenland was green back then.

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But now it's full of glaciers.

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Ice is coming in.

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So what are you talking about?

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Exactly.

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And it was the sun, actually.

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The sun fit quite well.

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As far as we know, in terms of deducing
the information or how does the sun,

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how bright was it, how dim was it?

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Basically, just like that.

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Just the amount of light coming out from
the sun.

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Very tiny percentage, by the way.

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Very small.

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It's on the other, less than a percent.

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But it's more than enough.

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Because there's another effect that is
very, very important.

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It's basically because the sun,
the earth is forced to go around the sun.

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And then the orbit change
ever so slightly because

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of perturbation from
all the other planets.

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Yes.

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No Jupiter, Saturn, and even Venus,
and Mars.

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They're actually controlling what we do.

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And the moon, of course, is very
important.

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But that other factors, the
orbits, plus the changes of

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the sun by itself, between
how bright, how dim it is.

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These two factors can explain just about
everything that we know.

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All the data that I have, actually.

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So this is why I was so fascinated in
studying this issue.

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I spent my whole life actually studying
this.

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Nothing but doing just this.

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And the more I
understand, the more I think

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that, wow, it's just
a gap to be filled in.

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We have too much information that.

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And then these people come alongside that
CO2 is causing everything.

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I check.

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I check.

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Oh, maybe they're right.

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I check.

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As the scientists, I have to check them.

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But then it's not even close.

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I mean, these people are talking about
things that is... I mean, there's a famous

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phrase by a very famous...
We've considered meteorology.

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His name is Professor Reed Bryson.

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He's one of the father of climatology,
really.

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You just say that you go out and then you
could might as well.

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If you think CO2 is showing,
you might as well spit

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into the end and see what
happened to the airflow.

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He was just basically saying that CO2 is
nothing.

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Can not cause the climate to change or
anything.

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It doesn't change anything, actually.

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It's the sun.

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Why you think the most important things
that you should talk about?

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They never talk about that.

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They always want to average the data.

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The most important thing that you talk
about, you know what?

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It's the season.

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No two windows are the same.

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No two summers are the same.

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And they never explain
it's actually the orbits

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with the sun changing
it ever so slightly.

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I'm not talking.

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I have published papers,
papers and papers and

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papers like that on all
these to show a document.

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Why and how?

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That's what the fun
part of doing science is

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not only to chatting
and waving like crazy.

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Even though I may
look like one now, but I

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have always very calm
when you're right now.

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Every time I have to
write a paper, I always tell

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my wife, please don't
disturb me for a few days.

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I'll be back.

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Things like that, of course, working at
home, but this is I'll be back.

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Is there any way to predict what climate
change will be based on?

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Actually, you can because of the orbit.

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The only thing we don't
know is how to predict the

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sun changes by itself
because of the magnetism.

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You know, just the magnetic field on the
sun is too complicated.

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The sun is the magnetized bore,
right?

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It's a gas hot gas.

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It's about, you know, the magnetic field
is so strong.

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It's 10,000 times stronger than the earth.

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The earth is also a magnet.

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A bar magnet basically is one Gauss.

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We have 10,000 Gauss at least on the sun.

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So it's a very different property.

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It works very differently
because it heated by

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basically a thermo nuclear
reaction inside the sun.

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So it creates all kinds of hot gas
behavior that is very difficult to try to

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master or even to model using mathematical
equation.

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Actually, it's much easier to study the
earth than to do the sun.

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So that's part of the problem in
scientific task, the physics task,

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the very difficult.

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But then we learn a lot.

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We learn a lot through just watching the
sun.

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I mean, Galileo Galilei, right?

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He pointed, he's telescope.

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He was smart enough.

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First, he pointed the Jupiter,
the moon, right?

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Jupiter, then he saw the moon,
right?

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He saw four moons around
it, and then he's smart

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that he goes the next
day to watch it again.

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He watched, and then he says that to move.

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Well, it was a famous story of Galileo
Galilei.

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We talked about it some day.

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When he wrote that down, initially it was
in Italian.

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When he realized he
discovered something so unique,

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he changed the language
to Latin in the next day.

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Yeah, you know, I got him, I had a good
one.

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You know, until he started writing a lot
in precise language, okay?

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But anyway, for the sun, it's really so
complicated that actually I've been

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studying this actually as long as you know
me.

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I mean, I studied this for so long.

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We know a lot.

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I even wrote a popular book actually to
try to explain why they're during a period

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of the sunspot.

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But there's a period
that deep inside the little

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ice age, 1645 to 1715 is
called the Monda minimum.

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Because during that period, the sunspot
almost all disappear.

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Especially in the northern hemisphere.

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It disappeared completely.

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Nobody know why.

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And that's why the French astronomer
famous people like Cassini, the one that

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Cassini spacecraft, he was observing at
that time.

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He said, man, this Galileo
guy must be on either

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drinking too much or
lying or things like that.

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He said there's a lot of sunspot,
but when we observe at this time,

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we didn't see nothing.

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What's wrong?

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But it's an actual phenomenon,
right?

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My friend, my good friend, which is the
number one word sunspot historian.

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He just wrote email to me, Douglas Hoyt.

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He actually was the master of this
collecting all the sunspot data,

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going back to all the major libraries,
you know, from Galileo first point.

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All the way to Crescent Point.

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Basically found that this phenomenon is
true because during that period,

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the sunspot was not there, not because
nobody was watching.

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There was at least observed 80% of the
time during the 70 years.

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You see, it's so unique that period.

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But now we're beginning to try to learn
what happened there.

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So during that period, we really think
that the sun was so much dimmer.

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It was substantially dimmer.

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This is why you have this little Ice Age
phenomenon.

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All the Thames River froze.

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You know, we have the Thames River in
England, well known, and then all the ice

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skating thing, you know, in Holland,
all the different culture.

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And then these are all real actual
phenomenon.

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And at this day,
they're trying to say that

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maybe little Ice Age
is not little Ice Age.

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They even try to change that in scientific
field, actually.

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So this was very, very puzzling for me.

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Why would they try and change that?

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Oh, I don't know, because they want to say
that CO2 is controlling everything.

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They kind of want to have CO2 as the prime
driver of everything.

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This is part of the problem that I find.

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Well, that's not science, that's lying.

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Ah, that's bad.

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It's bad in science.

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This is why in science now I rather say
this thing out right.

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I want... I rather have
questions that cannot be

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answered and answered
that cannot be questioned.

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Because these people
are just offering you the

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answer and then you should
just shut up like you say.

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Don't ask any question.

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Don't criticize.

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Don't even bother to think.

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Just accept what we say.

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I mean, you may have known that...

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Actually, if you want to get there,
I can talk about this because this is

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rather famous because the other person is
still around.

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He's the one who's shouting
up and down these two last two

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days to say that all we must
start fossil fuel GOP is so evil.

00:22:39.395 --> 00:22:44.440
We must stop all of them because we are
the GOP, either evil political bodies in

00:22:44.441 --> 00:22:47.020
America that causes all these fossil fuel
to be...

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We are using fossil fuel and all that.

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His name is Professor Michael Mann.

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He's at University of Pennsylvania.

00:22:52.340 --> 00:22:55.160
He created a paper, we call it a hockey
stick.

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Yeah, the hockey stick.

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He basically said that the temperature
history...

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First of all, the true temperature history
looked like this.

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It was very warm from 880, let's say warm,
warm.

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And then it cools down about 1300 started
to go down.

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Cool.

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And then since about 1900 century it
started to warm back up.

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Way, way before CO2 is important,
okay?

00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:19.760
That's another puzzle that they never want
to explain.

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They look like this.

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That's the real story.

00:23:22.260 --> 00:23:23.260
Michael Mann came along.

00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:28.420
Say that, well, he used mathematical
algorithm, okay?

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He can use fancy words but believe me,
it's his mathematical algorithm.

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But he produced a stick for 1980 to about
1980.

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It's all flat because it changed very tiny
amount.

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So small that actually doesn't mean
anything, 0.1 or 0.2 degrees Celsius.

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So small.

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It doesn't mean the one that I talk about
that changes one degree at least,

00:23:50.090 --> 00:23:52.760
you know, to 5-6 times stronger bigger
than what he said.

00:23:53.180 --> 00:23:54.820
And he just said it's like this.

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And then it warmed up
because of the blade, which

00:23:57.475 --> 00:23:59.741
is the warming because
of rising carbon dioxide.

00:24:00.060 --> 00:24:04.920
But he forgot to explain to you,
this warming of the temperature started

00:24:05.045 --> 00:24:07.898
way before even the human
part of the atmospheric

00:24:07.899 --> 00:24:10.201
carbon dioxide could
be anything meaningful.

00:24:10.530 --> 00:24:11.650
This is part of the problem.

00:24:11.740 --> 00:24:13.700
It's all been crazy from day one.

00:24:14.270 --> 00:24:19.920
When this thing was published in 1999,
I was the first few guys who raised a hand

00:24:19.921 --> 00:24:21.842
at the back of the class
and say, excuse me,

00:24:21.843 --> 00:24:23.860
Professor Mann, he used
to be my friend by the way.

00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:25.440
Now he will never answer me.

00:24:25.660 --> 00:24:28.960
He used to exchange email with me because,
you know, we're more or less shared,

00:24:29.080 --> 00:24:30.680
the same passion, wonder, understanding.

00:24:30.980 --> 00:24:34.540
Now he just said that his story,
his story is the only one that is correct.

00:24:34.910 --> 00:24:37.200
But it's not bare out by any data that we
know.

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That's the problem.

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It's all mathematical products.

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This is how scary the whole work can be.

00:24:43.380 --> 00:24:48.980
And United Nations, the IPCC group that I
mentioned, promoted his work, turning it

00:24:48.981 --> 00:24:54.360
into a major hero because he has solved
one of this old puzzle problem that

00:24:54.361 --> 00:24:57.600
climatologists over Marlania has been
trying to solve.

00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:01.400
Since the day of the Greeks, we try to
understand how climate change.

00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:05.120
And this guy come alongside that he looked
like this, only CO2 does it.

00:25:05.360 --> 00:25:06.360
And that's the problem.

00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:12.700
So, I mean, some of this is very complex.

00:25:13.030 --> 00:25:16.680
But in the way you're describing it,
if he's saying the warming period began

00:25:16.681 --> 00:25:21.060
before, there was a meaningful addition of
CO2 into the atmosphere caused by humans.

00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:22.980
Even I can understand that.

00:25:23.380 --> 00:25:24.380
Yes, that's the truth.

00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.040
So I would assume that
lots of scientists who do

00:25:27.041 --> 00:25:29.701
this for a living might be
asking the same question.

00:25:29.780 --> 00:25:30.840
Why don't they speak up?

00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:32.400
This is the problem.

00:25:33.100 --> 00:25:37.220
The whole problem in scientists' day is
related to funding.

00:25:37.300 --> 00:25:38.300
How science is funded?

00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:39.680
That philosophy.

00:25:40.520 --> 00:25:42.100
I wish to not get too much into it.

00:25:42.245 --> 00:25:45.080
This is part of the reason why I want to
be totally independent.

00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:47.240
I get out of this whole system.

00:25:47.980 --> 00:25:50.120
But it's how science is about funding.

00:25:50.600 --> 00:25:53.676
Even if you don't get money
directly, it will influence

00:25:53.776 --> 00:25:56.020
the graduate students
and on and on and so forth.

00:25:56.021 --> 00:25:58.580
All these other related effects.

00:25:58.581 --> 00:25:59.581
You know?

00:26:00.100 --> 00:26:01.860
And many people are afraid to speak up.

00:26:02.040 --> 00:26:05.960
But I tell you, if you really put all the
scientists to do an honest kind of polling

00:26:06.060 --> 00:26:08.540
if you're science, but science is not
about polling too.

00:26:08.900 --> 00:26:10.780
All it takes is one to be correct.

00:26:11.020 --> 00:26:11.260
Yes.

00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:12.520
That's the problem, right?

00:26:12.521 --> 00:26:16.700
Einstein used when he formulated the
famous general relativity or specialty.

00:26:17.310 --> 00:26:18.510
Actually, that was criticized.

00:26:19.080 --> 00:26:21.400
That basically talk about speed or light
and constant.

00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:23.400
So time and space are relative.

00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:24.160
Yes.

00:26:24.660 --> 00:26:24.780
Right?

00:26:24.860 --> 00:26:25.860
Time can be dilated.

00:26:26.100 --> 00:26:29.680
Space is also slightly different because
the speed of light is constant.

00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:31.580
Special reality is based on that concept.

00:26:32.590 --> 00:26:37.140
Then 100 of this Berliner cut-emission
tried to wrote a pamphlet say that

00:26:37.290 --> 00:26:39.000
Einstein is wrong, but never awful.

00:26:39.900 --> 00:26:41.900
What are the details that is wrong?

00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:44.600
And then Einstein indeed answered like
this.

00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:46.720
Why would you need 100?

00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:50.300
You know, if I would be wrong,
one would suffice.

00:26:50.840 --> 00:26:52.740
I mean, that's the theme of the science.

00:26:52.990 --> 00:26:58.580
Science is so bad because it's so totally
upside-down inside our COVID.

00:26:58.820 --> 00:26:59.620
It's another case.

00:26:59.700 --> 00:27:01.920
You know, so let's stick to climate stuff.

00:27:02.020 --> 00:27:03.160
People are afraid to speak.

00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:04.320
I don't know why, actually.

00:27:04.600 --> 00:27:05.340
I was young.

00:27:05.500 --> 00:27:08.700
I had to worry about my three kids where
they eat and all that stuff.

00:27:08.701 --> 00:27:10.381
You know, buffet all the time just
kidding.

00:27:11.040 --> 00:27:12.780
The greatest American invention.

00:27:14.180 --> 00:27:16.440
This is truly entrepreneur, by the way.

00:27:16.580 --> 00:27:18.260
Anyway, we have enough food.

00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:19.060
No problem.

00:27:19.280 --> 00:27:19.960
That's my food.

00:27:19.961 --> 00:27:21.980
I don't think it's also a problem in this
world.

00:27:22.080 --> 00:27:23.840
Even material resources, right?

00:27:23.841 --> 00:27:26.200
All you think is of the thing like Julian
Simon type.

00:27:26.620 --> 00:27:28.280
You know, we can generate everything.

00:27:28.490 --> 00:27:32.860
The only problem we love is lack of
imagination, narrow-mindedness,

00:27:32.861 --> 00:27:35.760
and all this anti-America sentiment booted
this way.

00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.020
America is among the best hope for
humanity.

00:27:38.120 --> 00:27:41.740
You know, to put forward, we have the
foundation document, the constitution,

00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:42.740
for God's sake.

00:27:42.940 --> 00:27:45.820
That is the most beautiful thing that we
could ever imagine.

00:27:46.020 --> 00:27:47.960
And why don't we use it properly?

00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:48.340
Right?

00:27:48.520 --> 00:27:50.400
People are just trashing on it every day,
right?

00:27:50.860 --> 00:27:52.700
Anyway, I digress.

00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:54.600
Anyway.

00:27:55.180 --> 00:27:59.140
So yes, I think science is a problem now,
because of funding structure.

00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:00.180
People won't speak out.

00:28:00.260 --> 00:28:01.340
I don't know why.

00:28:02.100 --> 00:28:05.660
I think it's natural for people to be
afraid, but you cannot be afraid for so long.

00:28:05.661 --> 00:28:08.160
For me, I was frustrated because I was not
afraid.

00:28:08.280 --> 00:28:08.860
I haven't seen something.

00:28:09.100 --> 00:28:09.400
I was in sign.

00:28:09.700 --> 00:28:11.420
Because I'm in sign, because I love sign.

00:28:11.760 --> 00:28:16.540
This is why, from my own perspective,
I just very sad to see that science has

00:28:16.541 --> 00:28:19.760
been trampled by all these other non
-science forces.

00:28:20.305 --> 00:28:23.820
That's why when I look at COVID,
also I cannot stand by saying nothing.

00:28:24.260 --> 00:28:26.580
On COVID, and I think there's so many
things wrong with it.

00:28:26.740 --> 00:28:28.240
That's why I want to pre-ever tithe.

00:28:28.600 --> 00:28:31.860
With my group series that signed our Kong,
we work with a bunch of people.

00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:35.280
One of the good guests for you,
potential will be Professor Harvey Rich.

00:28:35.300 --> 00:28:37.020
You say he's been interviewed by you
twice?

00:28:37.040 --> 00:28:37.160
Yes.

00:28:37.260 --> 00:28:40.220
Even guys like about Malone, we work
together to do the papers.

00:28:40.221 --> 00:28:43.400
So when the people come out hopefully,
we can have them on your shows,

00:28:43.820 --> 00:28:45.120
or they can tell more stories.

00:28:45.310 --> 00:28:49.209
We want to provide the medical
community or even the world

00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:52.820
to document this episode of
Dark Ages in medical sciences.

00:28:53.320 --> 00:28:54.520
Something went terribly wrong.

00:28:54.820 --> 00:28:56.120
The mass never really worked.

00:28:56.360 --> 00:28:57.940
The vaccine never really worked.

00:28:58.020 --> 00:28:59.400
All of this doesn't work.

00:28:59.420 --> 00:29:00.800
The lockdown doesn't work.

00:29:01.580 --> 00:29:02.460
And what are we doing this?

00:29:02.600 --> 00:29:04.640
Now they are trying to scare with another
new scare.

00:29:04.820 --> 00:29:06.080
All over the world now.

00:29:06.600 --> 00:29:10.500
A newspaper this morning, I just got one
newspaper from my sister, who's had to

00:29:10.501 --> 00:29:13.160
start there, or they start masking up in
Malaysia now.

00:29:13.700 --> 00:29:16.740
Because cases increase the usual story.

00:29:16.890 --> 00:29:20.123
I love in a serious way,
because I see this is another

00:29:20.124 --> 00:29:23.260
one of those attempts
again, to try to scare people.

00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:25.040
So I did digress now.

00:29:25.100 --> 00:29:27.773
Science is just so complicated
now that every aspect of

00:29:27.774 --> 00:29:30.360
the science that I look at,
I've become very unhappy.

00:29:31.180 --> 00:29:33.780
Science is no longer able to do where
science leads.

00:29:34.260 --> 00:29:37.060
This is the theme of my series,
the sign.com.

00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:38.740
We will feel only colleagues.

00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:40.036
I don't have enough funding.

00:29:40.060 --> 00:29:42.420
I just hope to get as many donations,
by the way.

00:29:42.520 --> 00:29:43.920
Donate, but don't tell us anything.

00:29:44.790 --> 00:29:47.280
Trust us, because we are decent
scientists.

00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:50.751
You can look at our publication
record, that we are able

00:29:50.801 --> 00:29:54.180
to produce the most interesting
and pure work, like IPCC.

00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:56.340
They have to reply to us.

00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:58.840
Two years ago, we published a very
important paper.

00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:03.500
One of my journalists, friend,
colleague, wrote a paper, newspaper

00:30:03.501 --> 00:30:07.780
article, and then he'd go and ask IPCC,
why are you guys not citing this paper?

00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.160
They use the excuse to say that,
oh, these people publish late.

00:30:11.161 --> 00:30:12.720
We have a date line here, red line.

00:30:12.970 --> 00:30:18.920
Oh, if you don't publish before some date,
like 2021, like January or 2021,

00:30:19.340 --> 00:30:20.980
then we wouldn't include your work.

00:30:21.300 --> 00:30:23.800
So we publish in August, so they wouldn't
include my work.

00:30:23.980 --> 00:30:27.260
But they forgot to say that they claim
themselves.

00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:27.800
They proclaim.

00:30:27.980 --> 00:30:29.200
Are you an IPCC proclaim?

00:30:29.300 --> 00:30:33.950
They have to be the best of the scientific
world, produce the most updated and other.

00:30:34.790 --> 00:30:38.700
But immediately, their report came out,
they already outdated, because they

00:30:38.701 --> 00:30:41.188
haven't included my
work, which is the most

00:30:41.189 --> 00:30:44.121
comprehensive review of
how the Sun affects the climate.

00:30:44.300 --> 00:30:45.300
That's the work we did.

00:30:45.560 --> 00:30:50.080
So this this year, just two months ago,
we published two more paper, convincingly

00:30:50.081 --> 00:30:56.200
show that even the thermometer data that
they show you is not what it is.

00:30:56.460 --> 00:30:58.340
It's actually not measuring climate.

00:30:58.900 --> 00:31:00.980
It's measuring urban heat and island
changes.

00:31:01.460 --> 00:31:03.340
Something that I think everybody can
understand.

00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:06.920
If you go to the inner
part of the big city, like TC

00:31:06.921 --> 00:31:10.120
is one of the best examples
I have left to show that.

00:31:10.121 --> 00:31:12.772
You go to inner city is
much warmer than outside,

00:31:12.773 --> 00:31:15.120
because of concrete
retaining all the heat.

00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:18.780
Or you change all the surfaces of the,
you know, the survey become impervious

00:31:18.781 --> 00:31:21.820
between, there's no breathing,
no water going in.

00:31:22.190 --> 00:31:23.300
Things like that.

00:31:23.910 --> 00:31:27.240
And it's what we show is that it's not a
phenomenon just on local sun.

00:31:27.580 --> 00:31:31.320
You average over this, you can see the
effect all over the northern hemisphere.

00:31:31.740 --> 00:31:35.786
This is very powerful new
work that we, we spend concrete

00:31:35.787 --> 00:31:38.100
and asphalt raised the
temperatures more than CO.

00:31:38.120 --> 00:31:39.480
And that's what they're measuring.

00:31:39.560 --> 00:31:41.520
And then they tell you this is global
temperature.

00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:44.360
And then we provide an alternative.

00:31:44.840 --> 00:31:46.840
We say, why don't we go look at rural
station?

00:31:47.100 --> 00:31:47.600
That is available.

00:31:48.100 --> 00:31:49.500
I guess what I'll result from.

00:31:49.560 --> 00:31:54.320
Completely different story from the
picture, the narrative that's coming up

00:31:54.370 --> 00:31:59.320
from this data set, the moment of data
that shows that combine urban and rural.

00:32:00.060 --> 00:32:01.580
We show rural only.

00:32:01.940 --> 00:32:05.420
We can tell you that you can immediately
offer a different answer.

00:32:05.600 --> 00:32:07.920
For example, it's the sun that does it.

00:32:08.780 --> 00:32:09.780
We show that.

00:32:09.860 --> 00:32:11.340
But we don't know that is the answer.

00:32:11.800 --> 00:32:17.180
We just simply show you that the IPCC and
all this so-called scientists from NASA,

00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.800
NOAA and all of them are not doing their
due diligence.

00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.800
They are putting you very bad quality data
product.

00:32:25.080 --> 00:32:26.220
Not only that, they hide it.

00:32:26.260 --> 00:32:29.000
Some of them is so difficult to get the
data.

00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:32.300
But it should never be difficult to get
data.

00:32:32.670 --> 00:32:36.280
I'm sorry, this is how the problem in
science now is so many students.

00:32:36.281 --> 00:32:39.000
But I thought transparency of data was
science.

00:32:39.040 --> 00:32:40.180
I was hoping.

00:32:40.840 --> 00:32:42.080
I always believe in that.

00:32:42.100 --> 00:32:45.780
That's why everything that we publish is
there.

00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:47.080
Because we got it from somewhere.

00:32:47.100 --> 00:32:48.100
Here's the data.

00:32:48.130 --> 00:32:48.860
Use it.

00:32:49.080 --> 00:32:49.580
Check us.

00:32:49.581 --> 00:32:51.021
If we're wrong, tell us we're wrong.

00:32:51.120 --> 00:32:53.200
That is one thing that I can always
promise you.

00:32:53.201 --> 00:32:55.560
I'm not here to try to gain favor or
anything.

00:32:55.860 --> 00:32:58.420
If I'm wrong, and I don't know,
I tell you, I don't know, Tucker.

00:32:58.660 --> 00:33:01.800
A lot of this thing, I really under a lot
of careful consideration.

00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.380
Really a lot of deep meditation thinking
about this topic.

00:33:05.780 --> 00:33:07.520
What I think is very problematic.

00:33:07.730 --> 00:33:09.710
I'm so glad to have
this opportunity to go

00:33:09.711 --> 00:33:12.380
this far to be able to
talk for this long now.

00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.880
Is that really the IPCC product is
actually substandard?

00:33:16.600 --> 00:33:18.240
Of course, they have a different mandate.

00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:20.540
The other mandate is political,
right?

00:33:20.845 --> 00:33:21.920
To provide policy.

00:33:22.060 --> 00:33:23.060
We understand that.

00:33:23.180 --> 00:33:24.933
But how many people
really understand that

00:33:24.934 --> 00:33:28.401
pure science doesn't
support anything they say?

00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:32.340
I mean, in the beginning of this COP28
meeting, the chairman or this guy from

00:33:32.341 --> 00:33:36.100
UAE, you know, that Arabs and Emirates,
the chairman, I don't know his name,

00:33:36.320 --> 00:33:37.860
Sultan Al Jaber, or something.

00:33:38.420 --> 00:33:40.191
He was saying that
there's no scientific

00:33:40.192 --> 00:33:42.040
reasoning to say that
we should face out forces.

00:33:42.220 --> 00:33:42.800
He's right.

00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:48.400
But then he backed off because of
all this... Everybody is hurt mentality.

00:33:48.780 --> 00:33:50.100
Everybody is doing the bad thing.

00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.076
Everybody's science is not about that.

00:33:52.100 --> 00:33:53.040
They all agree now.

00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:54.680
They all agree to face out, right?

00:33:54.681 --> 00:33:55.820
For some kind of agreement.

00:33:56.260 --> 00:33:58.111
You know, that everybody
declared that they're

00:33:58.112 --> 00:34:00.701
gonna do that, that
they're gonna face out for.

00:34:00.810 --> 00:34:01.946
I don't even know how, actually.

00:34:01.970 --> 00:34:02.970
Why?

00:34:03.580 --> 00:34:04.920
Why are you doing this?

00:34:05.395 --> 00:34:07.374
And then one of the
claims is that they're

00:34:07.375 --> 00:34:09.440
gonna triple the amount
of solar and wind power.

00:34:09.560 --> 00:34:10.700
That is a sad story.

00:34:11.870 --> 00:34:17.320
You know, of the amount that we spend that
we can document some trees, 3.6 trillion

00:34:17.321 --> 00:34:22.580
dollars, they spend almost two trillion
dollars on solar and wind power over the

00:34:22.830 --> 00:34:25.080
last, I don't know, five, ten years or so.

00:34:25.560 --> 00:34:27.616
And then what they did
is that they spend more

00:34:27.617 --> 00:34:29.860
of the money, two
trillion on solar and wind.

00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:34.180
And solar, wind can only account for only
3% of the world power.

00:34:34.240 --> 00:34:37.900
85% from fossil fuels, as you can see,
hydro power and nuclear.

00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:39.700
Nuclear is another puzzle.

00:34:40.300 --> 00:34:42.849
I checked with all my
nuclear expert friends

00:34:42.899 --> 00:34:45.910
that've been working for
years on nuclear power.

00:34:46.460 --> 00:34:48.860
Nuclear power is one of the saddest story.

00:34:49.120 --> 00:34:52.400
I believe that we actually have almost a
solution in hand.

00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:54.200
Not the fusion, of course.

00:34:54.770 --> 00:35:00.470
It's the, you know, the fast reactor or the
good generation of the, of nuclear power.

00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.720
Peaceful use of that, won't even generate
nuclear weapon.

00:35:04.220 --> 00:35:05.560
We can do all of that technology.

00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.500
The only thing barrier is red tapes,
environmentally scare of radiation.

00:35:09.820 --> 00:35:10.880
All these are the problem.

00:35:11.260 --> 00:35:14.020
We almost have all of that in,
in hand.

00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:15.500
The power can last.

00:35:15.540 --> 00:35:18.910
One estimate shows that if
we were to use it at the demand

00:35:18.911 --> 00:35:23.660
of that by 2050, we can have
enough power for 2,700 years.

00:35:24.120 --> 00:35:26.600
That's far more than any of the fossil
fuel can promise.

00:35:26.950 --> 00:35:29.480
And then, and we're still not doing it.

00:35:29.560 --> 00:35:32.600
We're not doing, America is so far behind
now.

00:35:33.670 --> 00:35:36.740
We just make one in Georgia, one of the
nuclear plan.

00:35:37.260 --> 00:35:41.640
There's so over cost because of all the
red tape that is so embarrassing.

00:35:42.020 --> 00:35:43.020
There are numbers.

00:35:43.370 --> 00:35:47.960
I mean, it costing a thousand or 2,000
times even more than what Korea and,

00:35:47.961 --> 00:35:53.540
you know, even Korea now is, is a major
guy who make this nuclear power plan for

00:35:53.541 --> 00:35:55.620
different, any country who wants to do it,
right?

00:35:55.670 --> 00:36:00.040
I mean, Korea, India, they are making a
much cheaper cost.

00:36:00.755 --> 00:36:03.120
And the design, French, design are the
best, right?

00:36:03.590 --> 00:36:04.680
French, they are all doing that.

00:36:04.681 --> 00:36:05.620
And we're not doing it.

00:36:05.660 --> 00:36:06.900
China, of course, 11, right?

00:36:06.901 --> 00:36:07.901
Doing that.

00:36:08.080 --> 00:36:09.240
But we're not doing anything.

00:36:09.600 --> 00:36:13.680
We tried to tell you that we got a shot of
fossil fuel, increased solar and wind.

00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:14.460
Are you joking?

00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.200
Even three times more.

00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.320
It'll be 9%.

00:36:18.321 --> 00:36:21.880
I don't know, can you turn on your,
your light?

00:36:22.100 --> 00:36:22.920
Only 9% of them.

00:36:23.080 --> 00:36:24.616
You should shut all this light off now.

00:36:24.640 --> 00:36:27.660
You're overusing it and it destroys the
actual environment.

00:36:27.700 --> 00:36:28.700
Exactly.

00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.560
This is a kind of a very bad incentive
that they don't realize.

00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.051
It's about this kind of
people that are so out of their

00:36:36.052 --> 00:36:39.420
mind in my view that they
really should be cautious.

00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.860
Somebody should just ping on their head.

00:36:43.750 --> 00:36:46.000
Guys, don't, don't, don't keep saying
those things.

00:36:46.180 --> 00:36:47.260
You've heard a thing twice.

00:36:47.940 --> 00:36:52.880
Or consult somebody that knows something
that is honest, you know?

00:36:53.640 --> 00:36:55.840
Would you be able to say this out loud at
Harvard?

00:36:56.540 --> 00:36:58.620
Actually, back then, I also didn't care.

00:36:59.120 --> 00:37:03.180
But most of the time, I get caught into
the directors office, and that they're

00:37:03.181 --> 00:37:05.276
always trying to tell you, oh,
why are you saying that?

00:37:05.300 --> 00:37:06.100
Why are you saying this?

00:37:06.150 --> 00:37:07.310
I say, well, I'm a scientist.

00:37:07.420 --> 00:37:08.861
I should say whatever I want to say.

00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:09.960
Not only that.

00:37:10.170 --> 00:37:11.780
The problem when I was at Harvard.

00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:15.820
But the reason I quit, as I tried to
explain is about chat requirement.

00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.240
But another one is a bit of a sense issue.

00:37:19.060 --> 00:37:21.020
I can only do certain things.

00:37:21.100 --> 00:37:22.080
I cannot do certain things.

00:37:22.081 --> 00:37:24.920
Like, I would never be able to write paper
on COVID-19.

00:37:25.300 --> 00:37:30.200
I would never be able to work on, let's
say, environmental air pollution issues.

00:37:30.300 --> 00:37:33.380
You know, like, you know, so-called nogs
and socks and all these other things.

00:37:33.580 --> 00:37:34.861
Or mercury and things like that.

00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:35.380
I have a lot.

00:37:35.530 --> 00:37:38.840
I study a lot on those issues because I
personally are concerned.

00:37:39.145 --> 00:37:40.320
So I dig into the literature.

00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:42.260
One thing after another.

00:37:42.261 --> 00:37:43.821
Basically, because I sleep very little.

00:37:44.430 --> 00:37:45.616
So I really do a lot of things.

00:37:45.640 --> 00:37:47.440
I flip every rock, pebbles, anything you
want.

00:37:47.780 --> 00:37:49.000
So I study a lot.

00:37:49.001 --> 00:37:52.400
I produce a result that is good enough
that it can be making a lot of scientific.

00:37:52.740 --> 00:37:55.860
But I never published them because they
simply won't allow.

00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:57.460
They wouldn't allow you.

00:37:58.100 --> 00:37:59.480
It's about a better allowing.

00:37:59.700 --> 00:38:03.100
Because they say it doesn't fit the theme
of the center for astrophysics.

00:38:03.460 --> 00:38:05.436
So I don't want to talk very about the
institution.

00:38:05.460 --> 00:38:09.320
But it is the finest astrophysics
institution in the world.

00:38:09.500 --> 00:38:14.801
In terms of instrument building and some
of the technology, we can produce the best.

00:38:15.040 --> 00:38:18.520
You know, you often look at the x-ray
picture of the sun.

00:38:18.720 --> 00:38:23.440
Those are from very fine camera that we
built with multi-coding layers.

00:38:23.680 --> 00:38:27.620
Because they come in very slowly and then
they're going to diffuse.

00:38:27.980 --> 00:38:31.160
But we make very fine way to catch them so
they can come out.

00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:32.640
So the image are crystal clear.

00:38:32.990 --> 00:38:35.040
You can see all the structure on the sun.

00:38:35.160 --> 00:38:36.180
It's made by my center.

00:38:36.930 --> 00:38:37.980
They are good scientists.

00:38:38.520 --> 00:38:40.880
Except that when it comes down to a larger
picture of signs.

00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:42.240
Shh.

00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:43.000
Don't say this.

00:38:43.200 --> 00:38:43.600
Don't say that.

00:38:43.660 --> 00:38:44.440
This and that.

00:38:44.540 --> 00:38:45.280
And then all of that.

00:38:45.281 --> 00:38:50.260
This is why even at Harvard, I quit taking
money from NASA and NSF.

00:38:50.261 --> 00:38:52.560
All these other places in 2004.

00:38:52.940 --> 00:38:56.620
Because I beginning to think that signs
being so unaccountable.

00:38:56.660 --> 00:39:00.600
Funded by taxpayer that all these people
are so unconscionable.

00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:02.120
So I personally chose that.

00:39:02.300 --> 00:39:03.440
That is nobody to blame.

00:39:03.660 --> 00:39:04.660
But myself.

00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:08.720
But I chose to take only from foundation
who are willing to give me money.

00:39:09.380 --> 00:39:13.000
So I wrote those kind of proposal and then
got to go through the director's office.

00:39:14.130 --> 00:39:16.500
I have a very, very happy and fruitful
career.

00:39:16.780 --> 00:39:19.020
Everybody can look up my publication list
very long.

00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.040
And not only that, it's not the number
that comes.

00:39:22.730 --> 00:39:23.931
It's the quality of the paper.

00:39:24.120 --> 00:39:25.360
I always want to remind people.

00:39:25.740 --> 00:39:28.340
I don't like talking about how many
thousands of people you write.

00:39:28.580 --> 00:39:29.580
It's not important.

00:39:30.340 --> 00:39:32.640
Which paper that is really important for
certain issues.

00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.841
That's important that you... If you
are able to show that, that's good.

00:39:36.020 --> 00:39:36.760
That's what I mean.

00:39:37.020 --> 00:39:41.120
All my papers are basically under a lot of
this serious, serious thinking,

00:39:41.121 --> 00:39:43.270
and serious evaluation
checking and rechecking

00:39:43.271 --> 00:39:45.721
before I would care
to write about anything.

00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:48.280
Because you don't want to write anything
that's wrong tomorrow.

00:39:49.120 --> 00:39:49.620
You want to work.

00:39:49.640 --> 00:39:50.760
Something that can write.

00:39:51.020 --> 00:39:52.980
But science is basically a garbage can
now.

00:39:53.160 --> 00:39:54.160
These scientific papers.

00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.080
I categorically would even make this
statement.

00:39:57.600 --> 00:40:02.420
I will make the statement that about 80 to
90% of the paper published in so-called

00:40:02.445 --> 00:40:05.700
climate science today should not be
published.

00:40:08.420 --> 00:40:09.916
But... Everybody,
have ends, have grown.

00:40:09.940 --> 00:40:11.116
Everybody have all this grant.

00:40:11.140 --> 00:40:13.900
You see how the inflation goes,
you know, just like their last day.

00:40:14.120 --> 00:40:17.900
You hear that Yale University,
you know, a large part of it.

00:40:18.200 --> 00:40:22.200
Most of the students on 2022 or something
all got great.

00:40:22.201 --> 00:40:23.600
A great, you know, great.

00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:24.800
They diluted the great.

00:40:25.140 --> 00:40:28.260
But have you reached a show of me that in
medical sciences and heart sciences?

00:40:28.780 --> 00:40:30.740
Have you reached the professor at Yale
University?

00:40:30.940 --> 00:40:32.180
He teach in the medical school.

00:40:32.350 --> 00:40:33.740
So he say, no, not true.

00:40:33.890 --> 00:40:36.420
So he tried to show me he has quality.

00:40:37.140 --> 00:40:38.680
Maybe not in his class.

00:40:38.860 --> 00:40:41.040
Well, how are you not in any other class,
right?

00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.220
So I want to ask you just as it kind of
last topic which is not related to this,

00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:46.756
but we talked about it off the earth.

00:40:46.780 --> 00:40:48.060
I think it's really interesting.

00:40:49.120 --> 00:40:55.020
You were telling me that you see God or
evidence of God in math.

00:40:56.080 --> 00:40:58.920
Well, can you explain what you were
saying?

00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:00.636
Maybe I misread what you were saying.

00:41:00.660 --> 00:41:01.660
No, no, no, no.

00:41:01.710 --> 00:41:04.848
I mean, I have been
closer and closer to God in

00:41:04.849 --> 00:41:07.340
the sense that because
it takes me a long time.

00:41:07.540 --> 00:41:08.680
I'm broader rebalance.

00:41:08.830 --> 00:41:12.020
You know, I have to say, damn it,
God, you've got to prove it to me.

00:41:12.220 --> 00:41:13.220
Show it to me, buddy.

00:41:13.820 --> 00:41:14.820
Just kidding.

00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:16.300
I'm sorry for anybody.

00:41:16.740 --> 00:41:17.100
No, not all of it.

00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:20.900
But I really say it in that way,
you know, you talk to yourself in a sense.

00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:26.260
But in many, many moments in history of
physics or mathematics, things come out.

00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:28.553
You see, mathematics, you
know, is this very pure word

00:41:28.554 --> 00:41:31.140
that it seems to have no
connection to real world.

00:41:31.141 --> 00:41:31.860
Because that's right.

00:41:32.140 --> 00:41:32.320
It's true.

00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:33.220
It's complex numbers.

00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:33.740
It's one of them.

00:41:34.100 --> 00:41:36.020
But it appears in quantum mechanics,
right?

00:41:36.021 --> 00:41:37.021
It's so beautiful.

00:41:37.900 --> 00:41:40.880
But one of the things that sometimes you
see in equation is so amazing.

00:41:41.080 --> 00:41:43.180
When you formula, you know, maybe it's not
right.

00:41:43.380 --> 00:41:43.780
Maybe it's this.

00:41:44.330 --> 00:41:45.491
You know, you doubt yourself.

00:41:45.860 --> 00:41:49.680
But one of the most beautiful equations
was the one that derived by Paul Dirac.

00:41:50.220 --> 00:41:53.200
It's a professor at Cambridge University,
but he retired in Florida.

00:41:53.970 --> 00:41:55.240
By the way, he died in Florida.

00:41:56.120 --> 00:41:56.600
Tallahassee.

00:41:57.060 --> 00:42:00.000
I mean, it's a refuge for him because he
doesn't like to talk.

00:42:00.150 --> 00:42:02.320
He would sit there for five days if you
don't talk.

00:42:02.520 --> 00:42:03.916
One day, all of a sudden, he talked.

00:42:03.940 --> 00:42:05.980
But anyway, he formulated that he's a
beautiful man.

00:42:06.700 --> 00:42:07.700
He, you know, Paul Dirac.

00:42:07.940 --> 00:42:10.840
He formulated this relativistic equation
for electrons.

00:42:11.380 --> 00:42:15.600
But in one of the equations, the solution
come out to be a negative sign.

00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:17.960
Not only that, it's a square root
involved.

00:42:18.210 --> 00:42:19.300
So it's strange behavior.

00:42:19.720 --> 00:42:20.936
There's a negative sign you learn.

00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.080
But it has the exact property.

00:42:23.620 --> 00:42:25.620
Like an electron and all that stuff.

00:42:26.580 --> 00:42:27.580
How come?

00:42:28.090 --> 00:42:31.460
Everybody say, you crazy, you stupid,
isn't that right?

00:42:32.120 --> 00:42:33.860
He's not even wait.

00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:35.520
He didn't know sweat, buddy.

00:42:35.860 --> 00:42:37.560
He just say, I am right.

00:42:38.580 --> 00:42:42.080
Many years later, few years later,
he's shown in Caltech.

00:42:42.120 --> 00:42:45.280
My cow, Anderson, to show there's actually
such a thing called positron.

00:42:45.520 --> 00:42:47.620
You know, the opposite, the brothers of
electron.

00:42:48.340 --> 00:42:49.680
That's such a thing.

00:42:50.140 --> 00:42:52.820
And then if you ask yourself, how is it
possible?

00:42:54.470 --> 00:42:57.240
That's something, this is out of nowhere.

00:42:57.380 --> 00:42:58.800
Where does this thing come from?

00:42:59.120 --> 00:43:01.940
And then in mathematical sciences,
there's a lot of things like this.

00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.460
Geometry, there's an even more famous
thing about in geometry.

00:43:05.660 --> 00:43:08.780
It's called Calabi, yaw, manifold that
related to string theory.

00:43:10.100 --> 00:43:14.240
This thing was basically a revisit of
Einstein's general relativity equation.

00:43:14.640 --> 00:43:20.400
Asking itself, whether it's impossible to
have close curvature in space time that

00:43:20.401 --> 00:43:24.220
you actually don't require even gravity to
be there.

00:43:24.670 --> 00:43:28.440
And they show that Calabi was trying to
prove this yaw-shing-dong yaw.

00:43:28.580 --> 00:43:29.956
It's one of the great mathematicians,
right?

00:43:29.980 --> 00:43:32.860
He's at Harvard, but he retired now he
goes to China, right?

00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:37.620
He was the one who tried to disprove this
thing, but he turns out to be true.

00:43:37.820 --> 00:43:45.141
That is true that you can have close
curvature in space time without gravity even.

00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:48.280
So that added even more reach in this
world.

00:43:48.560 --> 00:43:52.400
That from mathematics to real world,
we already have in our hard time

00:43:52.401 --> 00:43:54.800
understanding and this guy added even
more.

00:43:55.340 --> 00:43:58.180
And his discovery was in the 70s and
things like that, you know?

00:43:58.181 --> 00:44:01.420
So there are so many examples in incidents
like this.

00:44:01.460 --> 00:44:03.700
Just have to tell you that you have to bow
down.

00:44:04.120 --> 00:44:06.040
You have to occasionally take a deep
breath.

00:44:06.600 --> 00:44:07.220
You know?

00:44:07.221 --> 00:44:14.100
There may be some ever-presence of these
forces that allow us to illuminate our life.

00:44:14.160 --> 00:44:17.831
And I tell you, God has
given us all this light that tells

00:44:17.832 --> 00:44:21.160
us that we have to follow the
light and do the best we can.

00:44:21.260 --> 00:44:24.281
Rather than everyday
devouring planet Earth saying

00:44:24.381 --> 00:44:27.320
that we are the Satan,
we are the evil people.

00:44:27.340 --> 00:44:30.404
You know, these people
are constantly trying to,

00:44:30.405 --> 00:44:33.300
you know, make all of
us a lesser human being.

00:44:33.820 --> 00:44:35.560
I would never allow them anyway.

00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:37.080
So good luck.

00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:37.740
You know?

00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:39.538
For those people like
Elgoh and all that who

00:44:39.578 --> 00:44:41.220
think that they are
high and mighty, right?

00:44:41.270 --> 00:44:44.594
And trying to always, always
lecture us on kind of cut

00:44:44.595 --> 00:44:48.380
down on fossil fuel because
we've no hurt the planet.

00:44:48.381 --> 00:44:51.680
I say, Elgoh, do you ever think twice?

00:44:52.240 --> 00:44:53.580
How who are you to do?

00:44:53.850 --> 00:44:56.720
Do you think that you can actually try to
save the planet Earth even?

00:44:57.020 --> 00:44:58.116
Because they always use the word.

00:44:58.140 --> 00:44:59.340
I'm trying to save the planet.

00:44:59.550 --> 00:45:02.220
I don't know who gives them the right to
save the planet Earth.

00:45:02.600 --> 00:45:05.056
Same with this experiment that they're
trying to do, by the way.

00:45:05.080 --> 00:45:07.400
The experiment to say that we must cut
down CO2 emission.

00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:09.380
I told you CO2 is good for...

00:45:10.220 --> 00:45:11.220
You know, for life?

00:45:11.680 --> 00:45:16.140
Because I asked Elgoh indeed when I asked
Elgoh the question in UC Santa Barbara is

00:45:16.890 --> 00:45:18.940
what is the CO2 is guess of life.

00:45:19.420 --> 00:45:21.900
Who gives you the audacity to cut down
this?

00:45:22.160 --> 00:45:23.020
Then aren't you...

00:45:23.021 --> 00:45:27.360
Are you going to be responsible for the
ecological and humanitarian all this crisis?

00:45:27.720 --> 00:45:31.580
Even we know rising CO2 affect even
plants.

00:45:32.165 --> 00:45:34.200
I know, especially food production,
right?

00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:36.720
Maybe not exact number, we know,
but it does.

00:45:37.540 --> 00:45:38.540
Positively, right?

00:45:38.720 --> 00:45:41.256
We have technology
to help it better see it

00:45:41.257 --> 00:45:43.680
better all this fertilization
or this other thing.

00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:46.580
But who gives them the idea to do that?

00:45:46.740 --> 00:45:49.980
To cut down this because it's generally
going to be good for life.

00:45:50.120 --> 00:45:53.960
Because you have to push them around because
nobody should give them the authority.

00:45:54.140 --> 00:45:56.900
So far I don't think anyone can answer
that question for me.

00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.600
So I tell them to please bow down to God.

00:45:59.700 --> 00:46:02.640
Really answer to that question first
before you do anything else.

00:46:02.770 --> 00:46:07.640
Because it's ridiculous for them to keep
to claim that they have the upper,

00:46:07.641 --> 00:46:11.051
moral and ethical high
ground to try to prescribe

00:46:11.052 --> 00:46:14.380
everybody to live in certain
conditions that they choose.

00:46:15.140 --> 00:46:16.820
But they themselves don't follow the
rules.

00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:18.840
They tell us to take a bus.

00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.660
They'll go always, even tell me what to
take a bus and they'll go.

00:46:22.340 --> 00:46:25.300
My God, I say, you take a bus from
Tennessee to Massachusetts.

00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:26.940
I'll be waiting for you now now.

00:46:27.100 --> 00:46:28.100
Please.

00:46:28.420 --> 00:46:32.660
I mean, these guys are out of this world,
man.

00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:33.940
I'm sorry, I'll go.

00:46:34.220 --> 00:46:35.980
But you can still call me.

00:46:36.130 --> 00:46:39.060
Can you really soon?

00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:39.520
Thank you.

00:46:39.710 --> 00:46:43.000
But before you go, last thing,
for viewers who want to know more about

00:46:43.001 --> 00:46:46.780
what you do, can you say once again where
they can read it?

00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:52.100
Please, I hope that I don't disappoint
anyone, but please come to series.

00:46:52.660 --> 00:46:53.820
That's sign.com.

00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:57.840
And I want to make one plug for my good
friend, how short live.

00:46:58.780 --> 00:47:02.840
As I get older and older, including my own
kids, my own kids, three kids has been

00:47:02.841 --> 00:47:05.540
going to the Cam Constitution at New
Hampshire.

00:47:05.890 --> 00:47:08.890
And we also wanted to
invite the Tucker Carlson

00:47:08.891 --> 00:47:12.700
to come, because Rebecca
Vasomie came last summer.

00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:15.290
And because we are a
very, very small group, we

00:47:15.291 --> 00:47:17.601
are a tiny little group
called Cam Constitution.

00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:19.380
So, Camcote is just on .NET.

00:47:19.940 --> 00:47:23.063
We offer, basically, family
kind of a Christian kind of

00:47:23.064 --> 00:47:25.440
background, but we don't
talk about Christ all the time.

00:47:25.441 --> 00:47:26.560
But we talk about Bibles.

00:47:26.700 --> 00:47:28.120
We talk about Constitution.

00:47:28.530 --> 00:47:31.038
We talk about signs or
I'm the science instructor

00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.040
that've been doing that for
almost six, seven years now.

00:47:34.140 --> 00:47:37.400
So, I've been doing every year,
I'll give one or two classes, depends on

00:47:37.401 --> 00:47:39.960
how many, whatever they want me to do,
I'll do.

00:47:40.040 --> 00:47:43.760
And my own kids came to those things,
and then, you know, we play music,

00:47:44.070 --> 00:47:45.070
we have campfire.

00:47:45.240 --> 00:47:46.660
It's a family event.

00:47:46.980 --> 00:47:52.121
Used to be as focus on kids, but this day,
I'm sorry, too many adults started to come.

00:47:52.600 --> 00:47:54.917
So, we have even people,
like my good friend, Lord

00:47:54.918 --> 00:47:57.400
Christopher Mountain from
England, he spoke twice.

00:47:58.530 --> 00:48:02.380
So, small little group, but if anybody who
thinks that, you know, you have the time

00:48:02.530 --> 00:48:05.119
and even come and
learn what we do, here and

00:48:05.120 --> 00:48:07.721
emulate in your own
city and towns and all that.

00:48:07.780 --> 00:48:09.541
You know, people from Wisconsin,
please come.

00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:11.360
People from California, please come.

00:48:11.720 --> 00:48:13.900
You know, we have it in New Hampshire
every year.

00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.180
Every summer, we have this camp,
and it's a very good thing.

00:48:17.390 --> 00:48:19.180
So, camp constitution.net.

00:48:19.910 --> 00:48:23.400
And I talked to your friend, Vince
Allison, from Maryland.

00:48:23.695 --> 00:48:25.240
I also call him before I came.

00:48:25.440 --> 00:48:27.040
He's one of the good guy, right?

00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:28.480
Yeah, amazing.

00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:30.369
Well, at least soon, that
was the most interesting

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conversation I've
heard in a long time.

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Well, thank you for your time.

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I appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.

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Free speech is bigger than any one person
or any one organization.

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Societies are defined by what they will
not.

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From what we'll watch it is the total
inversion of virtue.